Modern XMPP project discussion - 2024-07-01

Is there a replacement for telegram channels in XMPP (maybe some specific apps for that)?

Channels in Telegram are broadcast-only, right?

I get confused, because "channels" means a different thing in every platform :)

Yes, blog-like thing

Then yes, XMPP supports such channels, but I don't know of any apps that let you create them automatically. You can use a desktop client such as Gajim to create a group chat and manually configure it.

Are there any examples of existing broadcast-only channels in XMPP?

Someone was asking about them a few months ago, and I think they had set some up the same way

But I don't remember who or what

Do you see other participants in those channels?

I think just a count

Also, for clarity: do I get it correcly that in XMPP "channels" mean "multi user chat", like in IRC?

So you need the thing to disable presence broadcast

belkka, yes, public group chats

> Yes, blog-like thing Hm, what Movim does with PubSub may also qualify? ↺

Yes, true

But not as many clients support that right now

Though then you need Movim or another thing to subscribe to those

> I think just a count Yes stricly speaking. To be precise, in telegram channels one or few "admins" can publish messages (with a separate option to be anonymous for every message). Neither admins nor subscribers are visible for non-admins. Also, there is a "comment" feature that connects a tg channel with a multi user chat. In general, I'm curious about how could XMPP replace telegram for the audience that is used to the latter.

> Though then you need Movim or another thing to subscribe to those I think thats okay. After all, different clients support different extensions

> Also, for clarity: do I get it correcly that in XMPP "channels" mean "multi user chat", like in IRC? https://docs.modernxmpp.org/rationale/#terminology ↺

Also, are there some extensions/servers/clients that support: - reactions as presented in popular messaging apps (emoji that you put on any message) - replies (a *link* from current message to some previous message that readers can easily follow, not just quoted text) I'm using conversations (f-droid) right now and couldn't find these features.

>> Also, for clarity: do I get it correcly that in XMPP "channels" mean "multi user chat", like in IRC? > https://docs.modernxmpp.org/rationale/#terminology 🙏

Yes, they're supported, but not in Conversations

(yet)

https://cerdale.zash.se/s/gs_ewu_VWPsB_5tai08luQ-c/8d998a65-d462-4380-8431-7ed80b2b88eb.png

The main forks of Conversations, Cheogram and Monocles have partial support, but it's better in clients like Movim, Gajim or Dino

reactions and replies I mean

but I guess only a matter of time for Converations and forks to get better support as well ✏

but I guess only a matter of time for Conversations and forks to get better support as well ✏

Wow, the picture sent by zash looks like Slack. I cannot see the reaction neither in coversations or gajim. > it's better in clients like Movim, Gajim or Dino I'm using Gajim 1.8.4 right now (just switched) and see no options to react nor reply, only "quote". Am I missing something?

Didn't recent Gajim have both reactions and replies?

I'll check if I should update

I don't have Gajim installed myself so I am not certain

https://gajim.org/post/2024-06-10-gajim-1.9.0-released/ > This release brings long awaited support for message replies and message reactions.

Zash, what client do you use (on the screenshot)? Is it Movim?

Dino

Gajim 1.9.x looks very similar

https://dino.im/blog/2023/02/dino-0.4-release/ > Reactions and Replies

I wonder why Dino mangles my avatar image so badly though

> Dino Is it expected that reactions are not transferred between clients? E.g. I've put a ♠️ at Zash's message using Dino, but I cannot see it in Gajim 1.9.1. I've also put a ♣️ at Kris' message using Gajim, but I cannot see it in Dino. Does anyone see any of those reactions? Or are they like just client-side notes for myself :)) ↺

https://share.conversations.im/belkka/EkjYuvOjnormbBL2/d2992a34-a4a2-4081-99bd-10495f4ad6d8.png

I see both

Odd

https://share.conversations.im/belkka/cfv10nHPFv8ZjAPs/fd3d786d-c843-485b-9e14-2be29449ccfa.png

I've already restarted the computer after sending those reactions and before making these screenshots (I was forced to update the whole system and some apps didn't work until reboot)

I don't see anything that stands out in the protocol layer. Mishandling of events from yourself perhaps? Consider reporting bugs to the respective projects.

Works for me from one Dino to another

I also have not seen this behaviour between Gajim and Movim.

Maybe an unique occupant id issue on this muc specifically?

But it looks alright here

>> I think just a count > Yes stricly speaking. To be precise, in telegram channels one or few "admins" can publish messages (with a separate option to be anonymous for every message). Neither admins nor subscribers are visible for non-admins. Also, there is a "comment" feature that connects a tg channel with a multi user chat. > > In general, I'm curious about how could XMPP replace telegram for the audience that is used to the latter. belkka: with gajim or cheogram you can set it up. Like that, for example cheogram can do it with ad-hoc commands on the channel. With the following config, only the moderators are visible and only they can talk ↺

https://share.snikket.de/9an0MzFxVJCyImjo4LVhcCaF/Screenshot_20240701-174018.png

https://share.conversations.im/belkka/w2mlT01GZEfJuYri/0bc19dea-ba0b-47a8-8903-40493444f4ef.png

Hmm, I cannot reproduce it anymore with NEW messages. E.g. I see both of these reactions of mine on both clients (I was using different clients to put them)

Do we have a terminology for "Affiliation" that is nicer for the user

Or should we use this word in user facing text, im not sure as im not really a native speaker

but i think i never read this word in any messengers except xmpp

its kind of unlucky that the word "Role" means already something else

designation?

title?