Modern XMPP project discussion - 2024-07-02

Do we need to talk about affiliation? We can just say X is an owner, Y is an admin, Z is a member, can't we?

the new easy-invite looks very nice. especially the dark mode :)

🙂

Dark mode was all thanks to cal0pteryx

ah, it lacks a favicon though

also for some reason Movim and ConverseJS link to /undefined on Linux here

Ah, probably a bug in the new stuff, thanks

same on Android

and the custom app section in the config doesn't seem to work

Works on my machine™

Reproduced all the issues, fixes shortly

thanks!

is there an easy way to add a logo for custom apps?

You should be able to put a URL in the "logo" property

or a relative path

might be good to add that as an example in the config.js.dist file

small typo: "You have been invited to Chat" at the top. I guess the "Chat" should not be capitalized?

also "You need to install an XMPP client to access the XMPP network." is not enirely correct with webclients. maybe better to change that to "You need an XMPP client to access the XMPP network."

Bugs should be fixed

I haven't changed the text - it would make all the translations out of date, and ideally we'd have a way to track that (but we currently don't)

yeah I realized that this is taking the name from the MUC

and in my test case the MUC is named "Chat" 🤦‍♂️️

looking at the code-base there is also an option for registration invite links? how does that work?

?register

custom apps work now!

Great :)

> ?register it makes an xmpp: link as well though. is it somewhere documented how that works? ↺

https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0147.html

ok I'll look into it. thanks

Okay, it's not in there...

It's somewhere

https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0077.html#registrar-querytypes-register

In the registration XEP, obviously :P

This is how invitations work too, same mechanism but with a token appended: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0445.html#sect-idm30843785162720

So plain ?register just works on servers with open registration

yes that is what I assumed

> also for some reason Movim and ConverseJS link to /undefined on Linux here My fault ? ↺

edhelas, not at all

Just my bad Javascript

was a bug, but fixed now

Ok 👍

it directly links to https://join.movim.eu now

> This is how invitations work too, same mechanism but with a token appended: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0445.html#sect-idm30843785162720 those pre-auth tokens are one time use, right? ↺

No, not necessarily

Prosody/Snikket supports multi-use tokens, for example

good to know

The actual token itself can be anything, it's just a thing that the server can use to verify you are permitted to create an account. If it wants to invalidate it after a single use, it can, if it wants to allow it multiple times, it can.

HAHAHAHAHA https://prose.org/usecases/non-profits/

Woops

I was looking for the Web3 page

Not going to blame them, FLOSS is underfunded

And the arguments are actually amazingly sane for this target population

I was going to send "Yes, by all means, milk these suckers" then I recalled it was an XMPP server-app commercial offer

I can't wait to hear about this project!

I guess they need to update their website to get rid of outdated buzz words

not enough "AI" yet maybe?

This is _not_ an attack on this project

I… don't know

Both are extremely polluting but they don't directly advocate for blockchain-based technologies, they only suggest it

I love how they're mimicking many macOS design features with Windows and Linux as first-class use cases

Pure anarchy, in a good way

(Maybe this isn't the right place to mention anarchy?)

So what do you suggest, Kris?

I mean… Instead of "Ready for Minting Day and everyday"

Btw, catering to the AI audience without integrating several LLMs would get harder and harder wouldn't it?

Isn't it riding the current silly, environmentally devastating VC hype too far?

there are already LLM bots for XMPP 🤷‍♂️️

Oh my God

Who did that?

just search on github for it, you will find them

I _will_ find them

In their sleep

So, yeah maybe their website isn't outdated 🤷‍♀️

Maybe web3 only means decentralized in that context. A new word for an old thing.

You're probably right, this is a good strategy

Maybe EEE'ing the Web3, in the right direction ✏