Modern XMPP project discussion - 2023-10-04

Hello! Just an average user here. I'd love to see XMPP become popular again. I think one way to go about this from the pov that tallship mentioned is to first understand if we need more "XEP"s that to fill in the holes to guarantee feature set that could compete with existing popular chat clients. One thing in XMPP that I feel crippling is that I cant edit my prev messages. There is no XEP for that. Most messaging platforms allows you to edit message at least for some time before it becomes unchangeable.

XMPP does support that

every modern xmpp program allows it to my knowledge

jayaura, There actually exists https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0308.html

emphasis on "last message". If I sent says 5 messages, and I want to edit the 2nd message, I cant do it, right?

Many clients allow that

The title of the XEP is misleading

I'm able to edit my messages up until there's a response from another party. After that, it's locked. "This is the edit" ✏

Oh my bad then, last I checked on Dino, it only allowed me to edit the very last message I sent

That's up to the Dino developers to change, obviously

There has been discussion about removing "Last" from the XEP title, and modifying the text that says it should apply to the last message only

Good to know, I happily stand corrected!

There are no protocol changes required

The same protocol described in the XEP can edit any message, but the XEP just says that apps shouldn't allow anything but the last message

People have been ignoring that for years

The XEP could be updated, but we have yet to agree on what a better limit is

Most other platforms have limits of different kinds, you can't just edit anything in a conversation like a wiki

Agreed, having reasonable limits are totally okay

So someone would have to figure out some text to write, to guide developers into an appropriate UI for message correction (and displaying received corrections)

That just hasn't happened yet

In that regard, it would be nice to have a section in the modern xmpp website for recommendations on at least clients for various platforms

that can be considered "modern"

Possibly, though https://xmpp.org/software/ is getting fairly good at that these days, once you filter by compliance level

Noice, but Snikket is not listed there. Maybe because they're derivatives of Conversations.

Snikket is intentionally not listed there

Didn't I see a PR adding Snikket just recently?

Snikket isn't just a client, and people looking for "an XMPP client" would be disappointed by an app that doesn't let them register on public XMPP servers

Zash, yeah, in the server section

Ah

> jayaura: > 2023-10-04 07:00 (GMT+02:00) > Noice, but Snikket is not listed there. Maybe because they're derivatives of Conversations. 🙂🙂🙂

> MattJ: > 2023-10-04 07:03 (GMT+02:00) > Snikket isn't just a client, and people looking for "an XMPP client" would be disappointed by an app that doesn't let them register on public XMPP servers > Zash, yeah, in the server section I'd love to create a category just for that