Modern XMPP project discussion - 2021-03-06

not sure if this is a good venue for the question, but: anyone know of a XEP or planned XEP that would allow limiting length of MUC messages?

I don’t know of any, but a XEP which does that and also publishes the length limit would be very interesting to have

(for IRC gateways mostly)

i'm asking more for protecting channels from overly "motivated" members

how do you think limiting the message length will help there?

would it be worthwhile to have such long messages automatically put in a pastebin? in that case, there’s prosody’s mod_pastebin

i don't want to silence people, but just prevent them from posting 1000 char messages into a chat

-> https://modules.prosody.im/mod_pastebin.html

and if there's a limit, the client needs to be able to show that, of course

client showing the limit is the part that needs XEP work

similar with posting 100 messages without reply in between

would be nice if the client could basically politely indicate "hey there, please don't lead monologues here. there are other people too"

I've accidentally done that trying to select the title of a news article and somehow the browser accidentally selects the whole thing and my TUI client sends it as hundreds of long messages, so I would like this too.

You can communicate this after the fact using errors (ie wait and try again later or modify your message to be shorter)

also a good use case

Sam, ask your TUI client developers to implement support for bracketed paste :)

But preemptive advertising of limits is nicer

They have it, but I wasn't using it because I thought I was sending just one line.

huh? isn’t bracketed paste implicit?

no

I mean, like, how can you not be using it?

(if the terminal and application support it)

unless we're talking about two different things

I get the impression we might

Isn't that a protocol between the display system, terminal and app that says "here comes a paste: [ ... ] and that's it!"

mostly between the terminal and the app: https://cirw.in/blog/bracketed-paste

oh I dunno about that

yah, that would be way better

some fake it by waiting for N ms after a "newline" to see whether there’s more to come and if there is, don’t send but instead accumulate into the buffer (poezio does it that way I think)

It does

Works pretty well

has fun side effects when your SSH is laggy though :)

yes poezio has funny side-effects over laggy SSH :)

(like having to repeat "enter" multiple times for it to be taken into account to publish a message)

Maybe this will solve one of my issues 🤔 I'm using vim to write messages and add this text into the readline. Should I add the bracketed paste thing when I add it into the readline buffer 🤔