Modern XMPP project discussion - 2021-02-11

> I think presence is increasingly less useful... I tend to agree, to a degree. I really like that you can use DND while the phone is muted / when inside an appointment

I think presence is of more value for work team chat than personal chat.

MS Teams still has presence displayed somewhat prominently.

The one thing I hate about Teams is that you can't see the presence of the whole team, at a glance

The chat at $work[-1] I worked on didn't have any presence but we went and added it. Team members, managers etc wanna know who's awake or in a meeting and such. :)

So I end up starting a new conversation with all the people from whom I need one.

I think presence is a useful feature - when people wouldn’t ignore it all the time… *sigh*

You could check if someone only has a mobile client available, and mark that as some special "online via their phone" status

Cisco Jabber has an indicator for mobile phones

Gajim, too

Movim too.

Zash, not sure. Whenever I'm on gajim or converseJS I often just start a chat with someone that just came online with whom I didnt talk in a while. just to say hi. otherwise i just talk to people i have 'buisiness' to tlak to.

basically I also like the feature of getting notified when someone is available again… it’s sometimes very useful

yeah but mostly at work

its a feature that is a must have at work

complete opposite of private communication

lovetox, i think equally useful in both cases

the most funny thing could be you could sell it as a super feature non of the competitorrs have.

its only useful if you know the other contact actually sets it according to his state

i am quite certain that people would find it useful to see of the person is online or not

this is done automatically in work envs

muppeth, why?

why do i care if someone is "online"

he has a smartphone, i just text him

why not

to see if he is active

what difference does it make if he is in this second "online"

so the online could be set to when someone has a phone open, busy/afk when phone in the pocket.

still not sure why i would care, if i want to text someone i text him

why would i care if he is busy or not

like I said. i do find myself typing more often to users i dont chat with often when using gajim or converse because i just see that they poped up online

that makes my question not go away, or whatever i want to say

ok yeah i never do that

i only text someone if i have information to give or ask

i would never chit chat wiht someone at randm on conversations or dino because of lack of presence or presence being dag deep in the interface

not searching for someone to talk because im bored

thats the point

you dont search for people to chat. i know in phone scenario getting popup info about user going online would be overkill, but if you would have a roster with clearly marked presence and have by default sort by online it would be quite useful. of cource then the whole roster comes into play which seems like everyone wants to kick out because others dont do it, but i find it very useful also.

yeah, i didnt want to argue that its should not be displayed

most of the time you can make it with a small icon or something, it does not really get in the way

so i dont see a reason to actively hide it