Modern XMPP project discussion - 2021-02-10

sam, thanks for the PR! But I'm curious what the UX case is for sorting contacts by presence

I really struggle to see any non-obscure reason for that

I have my contacts sorted by presence in Pidgin

I am trying to figure out where it helps me right now

I'm all ears

or if it does at all

but I think I really just do type-ahead search

I think the main point is that it looks nice to me :D

I find that in a social context I only message people who are online/available, having them at the top just makes things easy. That being said, it's not something I feel strongly about, just something I've noticed that some clients I use do

Just makes it easier for your eyes to quickly go to someone to chat with.

I think in the days where presence tended to mean "sitting at their PC" it was useful

agreed

the only entity in my contact list where that’s still true is my wife I think

everyone else is on always-on clients which don’t propagate any status beyond "online" by default

I think presence is increasingly less useful... maybe that's something to (separately) fix, but building UX around it today is difficult

All my non-XMPP-people contacts (all 4 of them) seem to use it, but I think that's because none of them use mobile I don't think (they all have iphones, all tried one or two clients, informed me they were all terrible and crashed a lot, and then stopped using it on mobile)

But yah, I don't feel strongly about it either way

Hence the "MAY"

I don't think it hurts compatibility or anything that gajim does it

Agreed, I don't mind it being an option, but I'm simultaneously trying to convince Siskin developers to drop it :) (it makes no sense, Siskin is one of the clients that is always offline unless you actually have it focused)

Weighing in client type in ordering might be cool, so if you really are in front of your computer that counts for more than only being on yourphone?

Modern XMPP docs are meant to be about informing ideal UX and best practices. I'm ok with maybe something like a "Historical note: some clients do this, gotchas are X/Y/Z, it's up to you."

Zash, priority?

Prority is dead

, Jim

I hear there are people who use priority -1

plus carbons

jonas’, Pidgin users?

Non-zero positive priority

as a hack to let the single non-carbons client receive all messages.

I forgot that priority was a thing until you said it just now. I was better off 30 seconds ago.

sam, haha :D

you’re welcome

JMP (XMPP telephony/SMS bridge service) recently had an issue where if someone signed into their account with Gajim, they stopped receiving incoming calls

Because the message is sent to the bare JID and not carbon-copied, and Gajim silently (afaik) swallowed it

"chomp"

Pushed some changes, how about that?

Actually, pushing the second commit that I was going to add on top of that, might as well review them both at once and I can drop one or the other if necessary

I kind of think it does a bad job of explaining the thing about reordering we were discussing the other day, but I was struggling to describe the issue concisely. Suggestions welcome.