Modern XMPP project discussion - 2024-08-06

Maybe it would be a good idea to host a MLS version of this soon: https://omemo.top/ ?

Like mls.modernxmpp.org ?

lol Kris

why lol?

omemo development sadly feels a bit like it has reached dead-end these days due to various library issues, and the MLS XEP should become available sometimes later this year.

its all about momentum IMHO. omemo sadly has none these days.

Sad-laughing at the situation, I guess. The XMPP ecosystem had barely reached OMEMO ubiquity, and now we have to chuck out all that work, and work (more or less from scratch) on MLS. ✏

Kris, who is working on a MLS XEP?

Is their work already public?

not public but it is being worked on via an nlnet grant

Syndance is one of the authors I think.

Kris so a XEP + implementation ?

I think so, at least some proof of concept

in Dino I guess, but not sure

Everything is a PoC until you merge the branch

https://nlnet.nl/project/XMPP-MLS/

Kris, is it only Syndace working on that?

no it's some team, but honestly I don't know the details and are also a bit annoyed by the lack of transparency.

Kris, Syndace just told me, it’s him and larma, doing Libervia and Dino.

ah, good to know

so I guess the libervia implementation could also work for Slixmpp?

would be very nice for slixmpp based bots

> omemo development sadly feels a bit like it has reached dead-end these days due to various library issues Any reason to think that the same wouldn't apply to MLS? Is the crypto that alien compared to omemo? And if the crypto is so alien to the point of having to start over, how is it more likely that clients would pick MLS up over just updating omemo, considering there's a zoo of compatible clients with one and none with the other? (I'm not talking about cross protocols e2ee because that's not a thing yet...)

Switching to MLS is likely to be about as large a task as switching to a different OMEMO version.

yes, but MLS libraries are or at least hopefully will be more standartized that the xmpp homegrown omemo.

and since we in xmpp always insist on using international standards, well MLS is that, while OMEMO AFAIK isn't.

Zash: that seems rather like an argument for than against MLS?

To be clear, I think library availability is a small part of the switching cost. But yes, it would be in favor of MLS.

哇哦

Oh my God, Libervia support!

Hopefully I can find a way to package goffi's WIP Qt client

(For Guix)