Modern XMPP project discussion - 2024-06-28

> Snikket is explicitly not for team chat, that statement is on our website 🙂 Hmm

Looked for mentions of “team” on Snikket's website, but couldn't find any.

Prolly searching for the wrong thing, would be interested in understanding both the intentional limitation and the background

There is currently no good slack like client for xmpp, which is what is commonly understood as "team chat" these days.

That's really all there is to it.

Ok, fair enough 👍

epi, https://snikket.org/about/goals/

> There is currently no good slack like client for xmpp, which is what is commonly understood as "team chat" these days. being slack-like is open for interpretation of course, but I'd challenge that gajim isn't a better slack than slack for "large number of large rooms" types of use-cases, and to an extent, movim is decent for that as well.

Movim has issues running on Prosody, and Gajim only very recently got to this point, but lacks a/v calls and arguable it isn't slack like if it isn't a web-client.

Kris, I’ve only used Movim against Prosody, what are your issues?

It runs in degraded mode with half of the features disabled

I haven't heard anyone complain about problems with Movim for a long time, and I know many people use it with Prosody and Snikket

And even if you configure the pubsub part better, it misses important permissions for public blogs.

Lots of JMP customers for example, because it's a handy way to get cross-platform calls

I think people just stopped complaining 😅

I wish 😂

> lacks a/v calls I doubt this characterizes Slack and its main usage > it isn't slack like if it isn't a web-client. I don't see why that matters

Microsoft teams definitely is to a large part a video conference client.

Web-client matters a lot for on boarding of larger teams.

Impossible to get them all to install a native client, either because they use macos or their company laptops don't allow installing software.

Funny how nobody is using teams by the millions

MattJ: movim is really not used much at all, I think the lack of complaints is more a reflection of the lack of users than a lack of problems with prosody.

rom1dep: wdym? Its used *a lot*

I mean it's installed as a "native" app on millions of company laptops

Meaning to say that I don't see why it would be a showstopper for gajim and not teams, or slack native client, or

Yes and that points to the exact issue I mentioned above.

No MacOS version of gajim and you can't install gajim on many company windows laptops. ✏

Teams comes *pre* installed

Doesn't Gtk run on Mac? How is teams preinstalled there ??

Teams runs in the browser

It might be possible to make a Mac version of gajim, but currently it does not exist and the devs show no interest in creating one.

> I think people just stopped complaining 😅 I cannot complain ↺

> Teams runs in the browser But the vast majority use it installed 🤷

Which is basically a Chrome wrapped :p

On windows, yes

> It might be possible to make a Mac version of gajim, but currently it does not exist and the devs show no interest in creating one. There simply is nobody capable of doing it. We're certainly interested ↺