Modern XMPP project discussion - 2021-12-26

would it be frowned upon to allow correcting messages other than the last, but only for like 3 minutes?

do most clients impose time restrictions?

raucao, you can try

but most client will simply not correct the message

i'm asking for implementation

i'm finishing up message correction for our own client

you need to ask in jdev maybe there are many client developers

the spec doesn't forbid it, but it says it's out of scope

as for Gajim, only the last message is correctable

sure, but would be good to have a guidline for modern xmpp clients, no?

yes maybe

it would, but nobody has written down and gathered consensus on how that's supposed to work

it would work the same basically, because you can already not expect your corrected message to be replaced on every other client

so when in doubt there would just be a new message

and the XML is 100% the same

just with an older ID

just asking if that's something some clients might already be doing, same as for time limits

if not, then i also won't do it

just annoying sometimes for me to not be able to correct like the second-to-last line :)

raucao, then simply do it

if you write a client i think this is a useful feature, the xep allows you to do that

other client maybe not supporting that, but as you said they simply show the message as new, so no harm done

bit of a chicken-and-egg problem. if nobody else does it, then new corrected messages that do not directly follow the previous message are a bit jarring for all users of every other client i guess. forcing last message for now, and will think about it a bit more perhaps

thanks

raucao, most things start that way though

one client implements something, users like it, users use more than one client, bug developers to also support it

i think its fine if it has sensible limits

like time based

correctable the first 60 seconds etc

60s is quite low considering mobile keyboards

one thing why i would not implement that is, because if i let older messages be corrected

i need also a way to highlight older messages for the user, because i notify him, then i need to show whats actually changed

i dont need to do that normally

maybe don't notify users for corrections

or at least not for old ones, I guess

and thats the only XEP where i need to add something like that

but thats shitty, someone writes something, corrects it 30 seconds later

user gets not notified?!

sounds bad

I know of no chat system which supports corrections and notifies for corrections

(not even if mentions get added to the correction, I think)

i believe that in a heartbeat

as i said, this is the only case where you would need to add logic to notify users of new messages somewhere in between their chat

i doubt many devs want to implement that

its trivial for the last message though

you just notify the user a new message is there

as you do for all other messages also

and also most corrections happen fast

so you either look anyway at that chat, so notification needed

or you dont have looked yet then also no extra notification is needed