Modern XMPP project discussion - 2021-08-29

Hi

I don't understand very well this project of modern XMPP, it is an option to improve XMPP standard?

spec, no, it’s more of an effort to improve consistency between XMPP implementations.

The standard improvements are handled at the XSF and that already works quite well.

There would be no need to duplicate that effort.

spec: you can think of it as a condensed and synthetic version of the standard that helps you get there faster if you want to build a new client

oh, great!

The Modern XMPP project is more about UX and UI than the wire protocol flowing trough the network.

Is it though? me looks at https://docs.modernxmpp.org/client/protocol/

Relatively more. Not dealing in absolutes here.

(and 393 being recommended :()

Too late, it's the norm. At least we can discourage markdown-on-the-wire or other incompatible things

It's never too late

If it's too late for xhtml-im it's probably too late to fight against capitalism, it's already the norm :P

You're right, let's go fight those blasted windmills! Can't let them win!

Meanwhile in Sweden

https://cerdale.zash.se/s/NeDjcPc1h7_9XJHZ/d26be17a-c29f-4b18-b31e-0081a9021ca0.png

Got one!

Zash: Is that ramp for jumping?

Oh no, never mind 😂

Is there an XEP to flag content/posts as spam/dangerous by a moderator, which the client can use to hide the post or show a warning?

There's https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0425.html

It is relatively new but has a few implementations already.

More directed towards removal than just flagging

> More directed towards removal than just flagging At least for OT hiding or masking would probably be sufficient. > It is relatively new but has a few implementations already. Looking forward to seeing in Conversations and Dino.

Perhaps it would make sense to have both flagging and complete removal. But that should probably be discussed with the author and/or in the XSF standards chat

and flagging for abuse and flagging for NSFW/off-topic are different things

for abuse probably server admins (not just chan mods) should get a report, whereas for the latter it would be a "local" flagging mechanism just to hint clients that moderators recommend not to display certain things?

I agree that XMPP has some work to do in this area ✏

Reporting things to MUC admins would be good to have, tho you could just yell in the chat or PM

Zash, we had this instance for example with WELLKNOWNHTTPCODE.city a few months back where server admins claimed (and maybe it was true) that they were unaware of a moderation problem: https://codeberg.org/joinjabber/website/issues/23