Modern XMPP project discussion - 2024-12-25

  1. test

    chat.modernxmpp good

  2. test

    I look forward to the ModernXMPP client

  3. test

    chat.modernxmpp Can completely Alternatives IRC. I haven't found the method to create a room using chat.modernxmpp yet.

  4. Anno

    > I look forward to the ModernXMPP client Yes, we are making one modern im client😊 ✎

  5. Anno

    > I look forward to the ModernXMPP client Yes, we are making one modern im client. 😊 Find more on github.com/AtoriApps Yay merry Christmas! ✏

  6. zak

    Most of it is in japanese unfortunately. This is not so helpful if you are looking for adoption and support from international users and developers. Maybe you can switch to english as default language sometime.

  7. Anno

    What is in Japanese?

  8. zak

    Sorry, it is chinese. My fault.

  9. Anno

    Ah yeah, thank you for that. We are still writing a lot of code now, will add multi-language Readme later.

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  10. Kris

    > Ah yeah, thank you for that. > > We are still writing a lot of code now, will add multi-language Readme later. 👍 ↺

  11. pjoter

    How can you defend XMPP against claims that it leaks too much metadata compared to something like SimpleX?

  12. Kris

    well, it depends on how you look at it.

  13. Kris

    XMPP leaks very little meta-data beyond the server you are connecting directly. so if you trust that server where you have your account, then that's pretty good.

  14. Kris

    of course with federation other servers do get a bit of meta-data, but it is mostly on a must-know basis and rather limited

  15. Kris

    SimpleX on the other hand depends on largely untrustworthy relays.

  16. Kris

    each relay does get to see less meta-data, but there are more points of failure and in general you can't have similar trust in them as you can with a self-hosted xmpp server for example

  17. Kris

    SlimpleX acknoledges this in their FAQ and explicitly says you should use SimpleX through Tor if that is a concern for you.

  18. Kris

    but you can also use XMPP through Tor, so at that point the advantage is very little

  19. Kris

    IMHO my tl;dr is that if you are very tech-savy and privacy concious you might be able to get a bit more privacy out of SimpleX, but for everyone else using XMPP with a trustworthy server is less prone to footguns.

  20. Kris

    and in general, SimpleX is a shady VC funded startup, so I would keep my distance from them for plenty of other reasons.

  21. Kris

    enshittification etc.