Modern XMPP project discussion - 2022-12-23

Gallery handling - Sending and receiving multiple images (and even audio/videos) https://github.com/iNPUTmice/Conversations/issues/4420 _What *do you* think?_

pack a bunch of files within a single file to send it? What if the the receiver wants to download just one of the files? nope, don't think a zip file would be the answer.

> pack a bunch of files within a single file to send it? What if the the receiver wants to download just one of the files? Then the messenger will have a ZIP viewer built-in so user will decide which to download.

A messenger should handle messages and not have other tools on board that just enhance size and complexity. If you want to send multiple files in an archive, just zip those with another app and send this file. Problem solved without additional code overhead.

zak, of course, this is the main purpose.

Assuming CBZ gets popular, the ZIP handling (listing of files) will take place afterwards. I'm not for fancy features, I'm looking for a sensible ways to satisfy the desire for a special multiple image layout which some expect to be delivered to XMPP.

You already can send multiple files without zipping, the only problem that solves would be a smaller filesize and with jpeg already compressed this would be insignificant. Why not invest the time instead in useful features?

Have the app just display multible images in a grouped way, the way WhatsApp /signal does, if they are send within a time period... The same conversations does with messages..

The pro: no support from other clients needed

Otherwise XEP-0367: Message Attaching could be used

I want to receive a gallery in a CBZ file and open it with an external document viewer, instead of clicking one click per image. So it is with Dino, Gajim and Kaidan.

zak, please see https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/zip-manager/ Open local and remote ZIP archives to extract all files or a single one

Schimon_: So you want every client developer to integrate such a third-party addon? Otherwise some recipients might have more problems than before when receiving such a file.

No, I don't. The ZIP support will be added in the worst case.

And if not? How is it handled?

Just download the file and let your system handle it (so do Dino, Gajim and Kaidan)

I don't have a viewer for these files on my system. So do many others of my contacts.

I want each program to do one task and do it well. I don't want fancy addons. I don't. Yet, if people would insist on a special layour for multiple images, then CBZ is a good compromise.

I can give your argument back: Just zip your files with a tool on your system and send the file.

zak, it's a ZIP file renamed to CBZ. Evince, Okular and many other programs and mobile app support it.

> I can give your argument back: Just zip your files with a tool on your system and send the file. Yes, but not all, including myself, want to bother doing so. I better select multiple images and the messenger will ZIP it for me.

> I want each program to do one task and do it well. > I don't want fancy addons. I don't. Still you request it.

Indeed

As a compromise instead of a fancy layout which might be nice BUT: It will make users of Client X to flood chats with images while other clients don't have a way to habdle it.

Do you see the issue here?

As I noted above I want each program to do one task and do it well.

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A way to handle multiple files in a good UI is a different matter, that could be done. But as I said, I would greatly prefer more useful features. This is in the category 'nice to have but not important' for me.

Of course, I think that I think like you. As I stated, this is a compromise to avoid flooding chats which might be resulted by a special layout.

> Otherwise XEP-0367: Message Attaching could be used I'm not sure. Is there a visual realization of this XEP? https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0367.html

Menel

Schimon_: maybe you should do it the other way round: develop a plugin for your favorite chat client, which lets you save a gallery of images in zip ;)

wurstsalat, and zipping multiple selection of images.

I might, wurstsalat, starting with Gajim

First you'd have to implement sending/receiving a gallery of images, I fear :)

Schimon_: >> Otherwise XEP-0367: Message Attaching could be used > I'm not sure. Is there a visual realization of this XEP? > https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0367.html > > Menel That's up to the client.. I don't know any using it

> First you'd have to implement sending/receiving a gallery of images, I fear :) How so? All I want is the selected images to be archived into a ZIP file as CBZ and that's it. If a client wants to display a CBZ as a gallery, then it is something else.

I'm just saying that there are no image galleries in Gajim yet ;)

I don't want visual galleries.

Where did I say that I desire image galleries for Dino, Gajim or Kaidan or any other XMPP messenger?

The bottom line is: Developer who insist in having image galleries in their clients are better use CBZ and parse it, other clients like Dino, Gajim and Kaidan have their host system to handle it using a document viewer. ✏

The bottom line is: Developer who insist in having image galleries in their clients are better use CBZ and parse it, other clients like Dino, Gajim and Kaidan have their host system to handle CBZ, using a document viewer or an archive manager. ✏

I prefer grouping in the client UI and just continue sending single http uploads. That's compatible with clients that don't participate and every client, desktops too, can implement something like that.

Ok. Actually, I shouldn't really be worried as I petition for practice and implementing something new will not prevent me to apply practice.

I like Menel 's idea. It's also consistent with message grouping behaviour.